MARGARET MCMURRAY - A RESCUE AND THE WEE ONES
21.6.90
Allow me to introduce myself, my name is Margaret McMurray. I have come
to the circle a few times. I am not, strictly speaking, a guideor a
helper, I come occasionally just to talk. The job that I have
undertaken in the Spirit World is to look after the wee ones -
especially the wee ones who need the love. Now, I came tonight very
specially to talk to you because of this monk which you have helped us
to put into the Light, and they wanted someone who was a bit bright and
cheerful to talk to you after
that heaviness. He was a sort of a rescue, but his guides felt that it
was not appropriate to bring him through this medium. And we wanted the
energy
built up so that we could get him into the Light and away where he
should be.
Now, tell me, did any of you have any other sensations, anything at all
apart from those which we were told about by our two new friends?
Pat: I had all sorts, but now I can't remember any.
Margaret: You can't tell us what they were?
Pat: Yes, but I'd rather not. (Laughing)
Margaret: You mean, they were personal thoughts not to do with
the monk?
Pat: Perhaps, yes.
Karl: I had pressure on the forehead.
Doreen: I just felt calm.
Margaret: But no-one got any particular impressions about the
monk? (Silence) He was very silent and he was just sort of standing
there,
and we felt that he was a rather depressed person. We also had a
feeling that he had been involved with things that he shouldn't have
been involved with during his life. He had also been over here about
three hundred years and wasn't making any sort of progress, not the way
he should have been. And so we managed to lift him up with the golden
light and he should now be away from the earth plane. He had become
rather earth bound and some of the guides in this circle had been quite
busy with him tonight. Anyway they wanted someone a bit cheerful just
to counterbalance things. Now, have you any other questions about
our monk or what we have been
doing to-night?
Guy: You know nothing about who the monk was or what he had
done?
Margaret: No. The guides actually felt that it would be better
not to get too, sort of, involved with him, so they just accepted that
he had
a problem and we feel that we have got him up and now his people will
be taking charge of him.
Gina: I had the general impression of someone in a simple,
robe, very bulky man, just walking away from me. Like when sunshine
comes in
shafts, and you see them and they walk into the sunshine its like
something almost solid. Its akin to water. I saw a bulky man just
walking away.
Margaret: Right.
Pat: He had a shadow when he was walking towards the Light,
but when he was in the Light there was no shadow.
Margaret: Yes. That Light does not cast a shadow. So -
Pat: Margaret, how is the other twin of the medium, who has
passed, her grandchild? Do you know.
Margaret: I understand that he is doing quite well for himself.
Pat: Good.
Margaret: I have looked at him a few times but he has not
actually come to me for care, because he did not need the love. He is
quite happy and he is growing fast.
Pat: Oh good. And how about your charges? Do you have many new
ones since your last talk?
Margaret: Now, let me see. There's been so many of them, some
have been and already gone.
Pat: I thought there might have.
Margaret: Now, perhaps my latest one is a young Chinese boy
who recently passed over.
Pat: From China?
Margaret: I understand there have been some problems there.And
he passed over, not as a direct result of the troubles, but he was
very upset by what was going on and he passed over at that time. He
told me he came from the city where the big trouble was. And he was
rather worried about all this and he passed over as a result of an
illness, but because he was frightened by what was going on, he sort of
passed over sooner than he would have done otherwise. Because of the
fear. So I have been able to provide a very safe place for him and
he's beginning to get his 'Spirit legs', I can't very well say
'sea-legs' but 'spirit-legs'.
I've also got three from Africa. The poor wee ones, they died in the
troubles there too and they hadn't had enough food, and they finally
just came over. So we are having to look after them too. They are
developing into very attractive youngsters. There's two boys and a wee
girl. But you know what some of their names are like, don't you? So
I've Christened them Harry, and George and I thought something pretty
for the girl, so I called her Marietta. I once had one of my helpers
called Marietta. I don't think I've told you about her before because
this was a few helpers back. I can't say time because there is no time
over here, we haven't anything to measure it by you see. So I have to
say - a few helpers back.
I've still got Lily with me. She's coming on very nicely but she is
beginning to feel that she has some other things to do over here. I'm
a bit disappointed because she has been so good with the wee ones, but
that's the way it goes. So I've got another young lassie who is going
to help me and is in the process of, shall we say, training. 'Training'
isn't quite the right word over here you know, because we attract the
people who can do the right things anyway. We are showing her the ropes
and settling her in. Especially with these four who have come over in
such tragic circumstances, I think you need a little bit of an extra
help.
Yes, and then there's young Janie. She has come to me from America.
Poor wee lassie she was. She passed over as a result of violence.
Poor wee one. She's settling down and she's beginning to trust us. We
provided her with a kitten and that has been a great help to her. We
have shown her how to stroke it gently, to feed it, and she's made it a
little bed. She wanted to put it on four legs but we had to explain to
her that kittens prefer a bit of a basket, so she made the basket and
the kitten sleeps in there sometimes. 'Sleep' there should be in
inverted commas for you because it's not quite the same as your sleep.
It's more like a state of blissful feeling, not so much as the lack of
consciousness as your material side is. Just very nice blissful state.
You especially go into this sort of sleep state if things are getting a
bit difficult for us. This happens mainly with the material memories,
you see, and if we feel that the memories are getting bad and we are
having a bit of difficulty then we can go to 'sleep'. We get this bliss
state and then, after a while, we can come out and carry on. This sort
of helps us to cope with the bad memories, because we have the bad
memories and we can go into our sleep state, then the next time the
memory comes it's not quite so bad. Do you understand the working?
Sometimes I am not all that good on the explanation side of things and
it is a very difficult thing to explain. It's like you deal with it and
then you have a break, and then go back and deal with it again. You get
the idea?
Pat: Yes.
Margaret: I do hope so. Sometimes you can feel things more
than you can actually put them into words can't you? So, so young Janie
is sleeping with her kitten, pretty little white one it is. They have
lovely games, playing with the balls and chasing butterflies. Of
course, the butterflies ALWAYS get away, but they are quite happy to
come and play. I've had a few who've gone on to, shall we say, better
things. There's a wee fellow, I think he came to you, and he sort of
really got going in quite a short time. He had grown up and grown past
what I was offering and set out to explore the Spirit World. I always
have mixed feelings when that sort of thing happens. It's so nice to
think that I've helped them over their problems and here they are going
on and yet I feel a little bit sorry to see them go. That doesn't last
very long though, because there is always somebody else coming along to
take their place, of course. And sometimes they come back and see me
and tell me what they've been doing and all the rest of it. Now, I
suppose I should make a confession. I've had a holiday.
Pat: What did you do?
Margaret: Well, I plucked up my courage and I went along to
the Halls of Learning.
Pat: Not for the first time surely?
Margaret: Well - yes.
Pat: Good heavens. What did you get?
Margaret: Well, I sat and I listened to all this talk and
somehow it seemed to make sense.
Pat: You don't think it's time for you to go off, do you?
Margaret: Not yet. Not yet. I know I will eventually but not
just yet. But the funny thing was that when I came back I couldn't
quite remember what they had been talking about. I just knew that there
was something different. So, I suppose I shall mull over it for a
while, I might even go again.
Pat: Did the children notice the difference?
Margaret: Well, now you said it, there was a couple of
children giving me that sort of funny look as though they are trying to
work something
out. And also I saw one of my guides too. Tall fellow he was. He was an
African, and I saw another one too. A lassie from the Roman times
and we had a bit of a talk about looking after the wee ones. And the
African guide gave me some advice on the young African children and
explained a bit about their background and what they had been used to
and that sort of thing. Because he's been taking an interest in the
things happening in his country. Now, since things have been getting
really bad there he has been hanging around quite a bit there and doing
his best to help. He explained to me that he had seen these three young
children and he had decided that I was the best one to look after them,
so he brought them to me.
Pat: Do they first just appear?
Margaret: They usually just come walking up the garden path,
you see.
Of course, to me its the garden path but to them it could be something
quite different, because we see what we expect to see - this is when we
first come over here, you understand. Now, I still like to see my wee
cottage by the sea. Now, it's a very wee cottage but you would be
surprised at the number of wee ones that we can pack into it.
Pat: Shades of Dr. Who.
Margaret: We just expand it as necessary you see. Now, I see my
cottage the way it was. So, I see the wee ones walking up the path and
they could be seeing anything except, you see, they respond to me.
They feel the love that I bring and they respond to there being someone
there. I am not always sure whether they see me the way I think I am.
But whatever they see, I seem to be providing them with something. I
haven't had any more problems with elephants. I had one wee one who
wanted an elephant and he conjured one up, you see. Well, some of the
others were not too impressed with the elephant to put it mildly. We
had a bit of fun there for a while. We sorted it all out.
Pat: Was it only a small elephant, or a big one?
Margaret: Actually it was pretty big.
Pat: You wouldn't be able to fit it in your cottage.
Margaret: Well, he didn't come inside but he was in the
garden. But
that's the good thing about being over here, you see he may have
trampled the flowers but as soon as he had gone they sprung back
anyway.
Pat: Did you plant some bananas for him?
Margaret: No. Well, there was a wee bit of confusion that I
didn't get
around to thinking of things like that. But he did trundle over, you
see, into the wood, and I think he sort of grew his own bananas there.
(general laughter)
Anyway, he seemed quite content
Pat: The kids didn't have a ride then?
Margaret: The braver ones did. I mean, he was a wee bit high
for some
of them. We tried to 'shrink' him but he didn't want to be shrunk, you
see, so it was only the bigger ones. And we had to put a ladder for
them to climb up so they could sit on his back. Very good he was, he
sort of flapped his ears back, you know, they were quite safe between
his ears.
Pat: Did he not take them up on his trunk?
Margaret: No. No. We thought they had better go up the ladder.
Sort of being, how shall I put it, more independent. I think they rather
preferred it that way too. So he trundled them around a little bit and
then we decided that perhaps it was time he went off, because he had
his things to do. It was good of him to come and see us.
You know, things have been going on as usual.
Pat: Have you heard from Anderson? He is supposed to working
as a guide to someone about to be born, or something.
Margaret: That's right, he was too. He has probably been
hanging around the wee one, the very wee one. I wonder if it's been born yet.
Pat: I hope so, it should be soon.
Margaret: We must find out. We must ask one of the others,
they must know. So, that's how my life has been going.
Pat: Ours has been moving along too.
Margaret: Have none of you anything to say?
Pat: Its a joy to hear about the children.
Margaret: Sometimes it does seem a very mundane thing to talk
about.
Pat: Most mothers talk about their children.
Margaret: At least we don't have any problems with the nappies
or with the teething.
Pat: Don't they?
Margaret: I don't have any problems like that here.
Pat: No, you have elephants instead. (laughter)
Margaret: Oh, sometimes we have a psychological problems.
Especially with little Janie, we had some problems with her, she was very afraid
of people for a while. But we just kept putting the light around her.
I found singing the old songs very helpful for her, and after a while
she started to realise that she was in a very safe place and that we
cared about her, that we loved her. The kitten was a great help
because it gave her something to love herself. This gave her some
understanding of what we were about. I don't know how long she's been
with me in your terms, but she's already grown two or three years. I
expect she will soon be helping me with the new wee ones too. Because
they all join in together. You know, I've got the two helpers at the
moment but the other children do help with the new ones. That's part
of their path of development and progress.
They should be able to understand that there is so much to do here,
and then they are less likely to want to go back to your world when
they know the possibilities here. There's not so many of the wee ones
who do go back to your world - a few - but there is quite a high
percentage who grow up here because they get so fascinated with the
place, you see.
Gina: Why do people come back them?
Margaret: That's what I often wonder too. But there are some
of them
who feel a bit cheated, that they have missed out on something. Some
who want to come into your world in order to express the love that they
have learnt here, that sometimes happens too. They are very often the
unusual souls in your world.
Pat: I have been hearing about one recently. A child who said,
Mummy
the sun is following me. Wherever she goes, symbolically the sun goes
with her. As a young child she used to counsel the other young
children in pre-school, and as she got older she teaches her mother and
everyone she comes in contact with about so many things.
Margaret: That's right, she has obviously learnt a lot while
she was over here and has kept the contact.
Pat: She brings sunlight into so many people's lives.
Margaret: And did she explain what the sun was that was
following her?
Pat: Well, it was her mother who was talking to me and mother
didn't
quite say, but I got the impression that it had something to do with
the light and being light and being in people's lives. She understands
so much and has great wisdom.
Margaret: I suspect that it was one of her guides following
her because
you see, very often when you meet your guides, they are shining.
Pat: It could be, but at the time she was in a child's seat in
the car,
driving along, and it was a sunny day, and she was saying that the sun
was following her. The sun would always be shining just for her.
Margaret: She could also be picking up the spirit light. That's
another explanation. These unusual ones, they usually have a different
quality about them when they are quite small. They are somehow
different to the other children. Its hard to say exactly HOW they are
different, but you can somehow pick them out. If you had a crowd of
them together you would be able to pick out the one that was different.
Pat: It is always the one that shines.
Margaret: They are just different in some way. Perhaps more
thoughtful, that sort of thing. They seem to be thinking things out,
working things out for themselves. Of course a lot of that is the
contact with their guides and helpers, because they will be mentally
talking with them at times when you think they are just gazing around,
looking at the world. They will really be, shall we say, away with the
fairies. There is more truth in that than some people realise.
Doreen: Do you look after many children.
Margaret: I usually have somewhere about 12, it goes up and
down a bit,
one time I had 20. You see, the older children help with the younger
ones, and, of course, there is no time here so we don't have to have
everybody in bed at a certain time. We do bed them down, we read them
the stories and tuck them in, five minutes later they are out the back
racing around again. So when you haven't got any set time like that,
things don't matter so much. Most of the time we are playing with the
wee ones anyway.
Doreen: There must be an awful lot of people looking after
children who
have passed over.
Margaret: Yes. Especially times like this when there are so
many
passing over from Africa and other such places. I had a wee one from
the Lebanon at one time, it took us quite a while to convince him that,
yes, he did have a whole body again. Because he had lost his legs, you
see and that was when he had passed over and he couldn't understand how
he had got his legs again. Took us quite a while to get him to really
accept it. You see, just like you in your world, you can know
something but, sort of, you have to accept it inside you. We have much
the same sort of thing so we had to keep explaining to him, and
eventually he really accepted what we were saying, and then, of course,
he was all right, because then he had his legs all the time. Had a
lovely time after that, running around all the time. He grew up quite
quickly too and he went on into the main Spirit World. Actually one of
his uncles came to get him and they went off together in search of
adventures. But its the wee Africans. We have had more - what would
you call them? - orphans sounds so dreadful - sent up here and we have
to cope with them.
Pat: Is there no one else who wants to take them?
Margaret: Well, there's so many of them you see, and many of
them dying
so young haven't got enough relatives over here to care for them. And,
you must remember, too, that many of the relatives have their things to
do too. And so, you see, in those circumstances we need to organise
something for the wee ones. And some of their relatives will come and
help for a while and some will take them away for a while and bring
them back - you know, sort of baby-sitting type of thing. No-one over
here is ever forced to take on anything. It only works if it is right
for you at that time to do it.
Guy: Do you ever have an 'old school re-union'? Where your old
wee ones who have departed come back to welcome you?
Margaret: They do sometimes call in to see me. We haven't
actually had a group re-union because, you see, when they leave me they are all
going to such different places. They come back when they want to.
Guy: So it is in our schools, after they graduate they go to
all kinds of places, and then they come back again . . .
Margaret: No, we haven't actually done that yet. I know, one
day I will leave this place.
Pat: After a few more holidays?
Margaret: Yes. I should take a few more holidays. I'll have a
look at a few more things over here. And then I shall make my decision, which way to go.
Guy: Have you ever met Dr. Smith?
Margaret: I have seen him a few times when you were going to
that circle - just sort of in passing.
Guy: But you haven't contacted him?
Margaret: No. He takes a bit older children than I usually
have. I like to help the really wee ones, the ones that really need the love.
And one day that love will break out, but for the time being I am
content to still be with the wee ones.
Guy: You haven't been thinking what your next step might be?
Margaret: Ay. I've thought about it. I just haven't made my
decision yet. There is no hurry. I think I should bid you all good night.
Pat: Good night, thank you for coming.
Everyone: Good-night Margaret.
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