MARGARET MCMURRAY ON THE CHILDREN AND CHRISTMAS

7.3.91.

How are ye all tonight? Indeed it's pleasant to be speaking to you all again. I'd like to start off by thanking you for asking the children to join you at Christmas time. They all really appreciated it, especially those of you who had family get-togethers.

They get so excited over the Christmas trees. For some of them it was quite an event, especially for those who came from those areas of the world where they don't have Christmas trees. So it was something so weird, so different for them.

It took me many hours to explain it all to them. For some of the wee ones of course I had to explain more than once before they grasped it. Anyway, they were very excited and they loved the lights and the decorations. It's the shiny things that we can see most clearly. It is so much easier for us, they are very much easier for us to see and they also remind us of parts of the Spirit World. You see where we are, if you listen to music, you not only hear it, you see it. You see colours and, of course, it sparkles. Sometimes we have great showers of sparks - some pieces can be very dramatic like that. Some pieces, of course, are much more gentle and won't have so many fireworks about them.

So the children were particularly excited about your Christmas trees and the lights that they can see. As for all those lovely presents, I think they were just as excited about what was inside as you were. I didn't like to tell them that they could see what was in them anyway, just by looking through them - it would have taken all the excitement out of it for them.

So, now, tell me what have you been up to since we last met?

Pat: Working.

Margaret: You have to work hard in your material world don't you?

Pat: In some ways we do and in other ways we don't.

Margaret: Wait till you come over here - then you will know what hard work is.

Pat: You work in a different way don't you?

Margaret: To be sure. In some ways this side is very much easier than your side because we can think things into existence you see. But where we get a lot of work, of course, is with the disturbed souls.

Pat: Have you been working more with that now Margaret?

Margaret: Well, I have had some quite disturbed children coming over.

Pat: Because of the war?

Margaret: Well, in particular because of the war that you have had the last few weeks. I have even taken some of the older children. You understand, not all have passed as a result of the war itself. The people who passed over, some were sick and some had accidents and this sort of thing. But they passed over during that war period and so they had the additional fear of the bombs and the bangs and the things falling and all this sort of thing. And of course they had been told how dreadful the American troops would be if they got to Baghdad. So they had all these fears on top of the usual transition type things. So, as I say, I agreed to take just three or four of the older children because when they see the wee ones they start to think 'this isn't such a bad place'. When they see the babies that sort of helps to calm them down, especially some that have younger brothers and sisters. They are used to having the younger ones around, it was more like home. I've only one of them left with me at the moment, You see when they calm down and you can start talking to them, they understand much more. They only stayed with me for a short while and then they passed on to more appropriated activities for themselves.

Pat: Margaret, the last time you talked to us, you said you were interested in looking at the Halls of Learning, I thought you might have gone there.

Margaret: Well, I'm still interested, but with these children coming I thought 'Well, I'd better stay here for a while, hadn't I?

Pat: Who is there to take over anyway?

Margaret: Well, I've still got Lily with me. But, you see, we did have a bit of an influx so I decided to stay. But I'll be going.

Pat: Will you still come and visit?

Margaret: Ooo aye. I hope they allow me to. I mean I'm not clever enough for that. I'll just go for a while and then I'll come back and make sure everything's all right with Lily and the wee ones. It will be quite a step letting go of the wee ones you know.

Gina: Yes, it certainly will be.

Margaret: But I'll come sometimes. I can't very well say someday because it's always day.

Margaret: And tell me, what did you pick up about your children? (That is the children who visited each sitter at Christmas).

Gina: I don't know - I kept sleeping.

Pat: And I had the same one I had last year - with curly hair.

Karl: I had the little girl that was here.

Margaret: I've just been trying to make sure they are here tonight. At times I get quite a crowd you know. No, We have not got Miss Pat's child, but the other's are here. I hope you don't mind Miss Pat but we will lend you somebody else.

Pat: That's fine.

Margaret: I thought it might be.

Margaret: So, what else would you like to know?

Pat: It's hard to say, you have told us so much.

Margaret: Well, I am not so clever as some others. I do try to tell you a little bit of common sense you know.

Pat: That's sometimes more valuable.

Margaret: There's always the two ways of looking at things. I mean you can be all mighty and clever, or you can look at it from the other side. Just what's what. I sometimes think that people can think about things too much. Just get on and do what you have to do.

Georgina: How many children do you look after?

Margaret: It's hard to say, it changes. At the moment I've got twenty.

Pat: You sound like Monica, they're not all boys though.

Margaret: Don't forget when you come over here you don't have a sex anyway.

Gina: Well, you wouldn't have to worry about whether to wear an overall or a dress then, would you?

Margaret: Oh, goodness no. You see, some of these middle eastern children, especially the girls, they do insist on being dressed properly.

Pat: You mean all over.

Margaret: Well most of them are too young for that. But they do insist on being dressed properly.

Pat: They fuss a lot.

Margaret: Fortunately, they soon start to understand the situation and then they are not so concerned with the clothes.

Pat: So they have not started to dress up yet. Have you many different nationalities at the moment?

Margaret: Oh, ay, I always try to help mix up the races. Because it helps to break down these concepts about race and culture and so forth. Some children have already absorbed their parents' prejudices. And so, as part of their progression and general expansion, they have to get rid of those first. And, I think, one of the easiest ways is to mix with people from the other culture. And, of course, after a while you begin to realise that everyone is same. And when they realise that we are all different centres of energy it makes life a lot easier. You understand, some of this I have been told. I haven't realised it all myself yet. This is what I am told is the situation and one day I will surely see it for myself.

Pat: Of course you will.

Margaret: Sometimes I look at the wee ones and I feel sure I can see it, like light over it.

Pat: I am sure you can, otherwise you would never look after them for so long.

Margaret: Then, the wee ones need so much love. 'Course, you see, over here we don't necessarily have to pick somebody up to help them. You can send the love and energy to them and just surround them with that and they really bloom. They feel vibrations, and vibrations you see, over here, you can put them round them like that, (shows with hands) the vibrations affect the whole of them. So they get the vibrations from the sight, the sound and the feeling as well.

Pat: And to think that people take drugs to get that over here.

Margaret: Well, you don't have to. You can do meditation and such like practices. And you get the same feeling when you put the light rays around somebody else. Because what you give to somebody else is what you get yourself.

Pat: It seems strange to see you so soon after Christmas.

Margaret: Well, I wanted to tell you about the wee ones' Christmas.

Pat: That's lovely. Then we can get some feed-back on how they are going and how they enjoy the celebrations.

Margaret: We have our own celebrations too.

Pat: What did you do?

Margaret: You see, when it was Christmas Day, we were with this medium and others. But, you see, with our Christmas, over here we had our own party. And instead of the cake, we had lovely stars. Sparklers, you call them. They bounced around. They had a lovely time. I taught them some of my dances, and some of the older ones who had already learned some of their dances, taught us theirs. So if you felt some dancing around you on Christmas Day, we were to blame.

Pat: I seemed to do a lot of sleeping.

Margaret: Your body was sleeping. You were having a fine old time.

Gina: I can imagine.

Margaret: I'm not going to tell them. You'd be surprised what some of you get up to at night time. You've been on many a travel. You have also helped many a soul.

Pat: It's good to know we do something a bit useful instead of just sleeping.

Doreen: It's a pity you can't remember the travels.

Margaret: But you might - someday. Very often when you have these dreams that make sense, that is what you've been up to. And the dreams of flying also, you've been travelling.

Angie: And if you don't remember your dreams does it just mean that you've come back too quickly?

Margaret: No. It means that you haven't brought the visualisations back to your conscious mind. Sometimes you are prevented from remembering what has been going on. But you can train yourself to remember too. You can ask your guides to help you to remember; you can instruct yourself to remember; planning to write your dreams down the next day. And of course, with that you start with just the slightest little thing, even if its only thinking that "I had a dream and now I can't remember it." You can just try that way, its a start. But program yourself to remember before you go to sleep, that's the biggest step.

(There followed a brief and unexpected clairvoyant session in which Margaret gave three or four names. Only one name was actually identified.)

Margaret: That was a strange aside wasn't it? But the name was coming through so strongly that I thought I had better step aside for a few moments. Now, where were we.

Pat: You were talking about what we had been getting up to at Christmas and dreams.

Margaret: Well, try those ideas if you want to remember your dreams, it just might help. I think it is even on one of your transcripts somewhere.

Pat: The medium will be able to find it on her computer.

Margaret: I'm not too sure about that.

Pat: She is supposed to be able to find it.

Margaret: It depends on where it is. Its not too difficult to find these things, though.

Pat: Not with your help.

Margaret: Its not too difficult. Some of us are organised you see. It doesn't go for everybody. But some of us are. (Request for help in finding a missing article.)

Doreen: There must be many many people looking after children in Spirit.

Margaret: Well, there are quite a few of us, but then remember that the children do not stay with us that long in your terms. Because they have not been in the Material World as long as the adults, they are still closer to their pre-birth state and consequently adjust much more readily. Except for those that have a few problems, particularly the ones who have been abused. We very often find that those children come over here and actually want to receive the love. And that's where people like myself come in. We help them to adjust and they grow up. Different spirits (take different times), I must confess. Sometimes they can grow up 12 years in terms of one of your years. And the children might decide they want the love a little bit longer so they slow it down a bit. And too, you see, children are naturally curious, and so they will start investigating the Spirit World and things will be great fun to them. But adults might be quite put out about it, because it is not the same as the old world. The older one gets, the more one wants things to be as you are used to them. But the wee ones do get over it quite quickly.

Pat: What about children that come back to see their parents who are grieving for them. Sometimes quite a long time after they have passed.

Margaret: Well, the children will come to them and will very often do their best to comfort them. Sometimes they have to manifest themselves in a dream, that is the only way they can break through their parents' barrier. That way they can get caught in quite different connections and give the reassurance.

Pat: What about - say the child has not been gone very long and grows up very quickly in the Spirit World, is there likely to be that bond if they are adults?

Margaret: Oh, Yes.

Pat: Will the parents recognise them?

Margaret: Well, it depends. Sometimes they will present themselves as were when they passed over. It depends on the Entities and the parents who recognise them. In other cases parents will see them as they would have been if they had stayed on earth for that period of time. So, if a child visits its parents, say, six years after it has passed over, he may present himself to them as six years older than he was when he passed over. Sometimes they might even present themselves as they like to be thought of.

Doreen: And the young teenagers who passed over through drug abuse, will they be looked after?

Margaret: They belong in a different category. And this is one of our biggest problems at the moment - with the drug-abusers. It can cause quite some difficulties because, you see, when they come over they are not really in their right mind. And they think they are hallucinating, and this is a very important area of work that we have. I haven't had anyone in that state myself but I have heard about them. They can be extremely difficult to calm down. Of course, a lot of it depends on what kind of drug it was.

Pat: Is one drug worse than another?

Margaret: The natural hallucinogens may not be as bad as some of the others. You must understand that it always depends on the individual case, but generally speaking they seem to be a bit easier, because many of them will give a sort of afterlife experience, or something that has the religious connotations for the person.

Pat: It gives you a basis on which to work.

Margaret: That's right. But the more artificial drugs, they cause the worst problem.

Pat: There are children dying because their mothers were addicted. Have you had any of those, Margaret?

Margaret: I had one once. And it took me some work to calm the little one down. But, you see, on this side, as I said just now, putting the energy around the person, affects the person all over. And that is really our most potent 'weapon'. But that wee one did take some working, but we got there. We got there. Of course, being so very young also helped.

Angie: Do some of them reincarnate quickly?

Margaret: Well, always remember that you don't have to re-incarnate. It is your choice. And if you've got any sense, you won't. The world is getting a wee bit crowded, isn't it?

Pat: Its getting faster too.

Margaret: Ay, and dirtier.

Guy: Why do so many souls want to come here? More than ever.

Margaret: Well, as you've been told, there is a new wave of souls coming in, ye'll have to ask them.

Doreen: Have they started to arrive yet?

Margaret: A few. But that is all I have learned on that topic. I have just been told that there are a few. I think I'm going to leave you there.

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